Speaker 2: 0:53

So when I think of putting trust in well, giving handing over control to nature's intelligence and just letting life flow, when something happens and it's, you know, a challenge last week you spoke about it it's like not a you can't say that the universe is testing you. Yes, and I just I think so many questions stem from this, so I think I'd just like to talk more on it, but it's kind of like is that just like the human condition to extract meaning and want to create a story? When is that what's happened?

Speaker 1: 1:32

Yeah, okay. So when, when we are confronted with any, any experience in any moment, what we're doing is we're processing that experience through a lens or a filter that has been constructed through the experience of being alive from birth to now, and the environment which we grew up in formulates the details, the tone, if you like, and either the haziness or the clarity, but often the filter is skewed in some way that creates a shape of reality that informs the way in which we receive it and that we respond. For the most part, most of us can be pretty assured that the way in which we have been brought up is skewed with the bias of ignorance of our deeper spiritual nature, and so, therefore, the way in which we process our experience is without an awareness of what it is that makes us us. We are essentially spiritual beings having a human experience, not human beings seeking a spiritual experience, and just that. The confusion of that in itself is, you know, a massive like sort of inverted convex lens. We're seeing things in almost the opposite of of how things are.

Speaker 1: 3:33

When trying to better ourselves and improve ourselves, we are in a pursuit of acquisition of some sort. The truth is in our deepest nature we're whole and complete as we are, nothing that we can acquire outside of ourselves are. Nothing that we can acquire outside of ourselves, including ideas, will make us any more complete than we naturally are. The truth is that the pursuit of the spiritual experience is a deconstruction of ideas and memories of the way in which the world has behaved towards us that's informed us of some ignorant view of ourself. Anything that isn't my nature, is divine, is askew on reality, and all of that is upheld by stories that we tell ourselves. And as we move more deeply into our spiritual nature, we drag some of that conditioning into the experience of awakening. It's not like we pass through some threshold and we leave all of our baggage at the door and we're awake. It's far more messy than that, as we all know. We drag our conditioning into this spiritual realm and we impose narrative over this pure spiritual experience that has very little to do with the reality of what we're experiencing. This is a natural process of weaning ourself off our ignorance and being able to accurately determine what it is that's going on right now, and invariably we will impose narratives like the universe is just testing me right now into the experience that we're having in order to, as you said, justify or explain away or give reason to what's happening. But the discourse last week we talked about how it's a misconception. It's a classic human projection on the divine Right that the divine is somehow testing us.

Speaker 1: 6:10

Life is just a procession of opportunity. To awaken A test implies pass or fail. There's no fail. There is only ever-increasing grades of awakeness, occurring in every moment, increasingly more awake, more awake, more awake. You missed that opportunity, no worries, here's the next one. Oh, you missed that opportunity, no worries, here's the next one.

Speaker 1: 6:36

There's no last chance mentality. There's no. Oh sorry, missed the boat. You had to get enlightened by this life. It didn't happen Into oblivion. It doesn't work like that. It doesn't work like that. So this but with this last chance mentality that we have is deeply ingrained in the way in which we process everything from work, career, relationships you know there might be one that got away. Oh, that was the one. There are plenty of other candidates coming your way. Whether you like it or not, jobs, opportunities, holidays, whatever. Relative to the karma, what you need to experience in order to evolve, what you can be assured of is that the universe, nature's intelligence, is always conspiring to your highest and most evolutionary experience, and it's not contingent on whether you pass a test or not. It is contingent on your capacity to detect this wave of opportunity that's passing. Everything comes in cycles and waves.

Speaker 2: 7:55

Can I ask what you think of the term like trusting in the universe?

Speaker 1: 7:59

then it's like trust, hope, faith are all gateway drugs to knowing right. In the absence of knowing oneself as divine intelligence, a part of the fabric of the universe that never ceases to inform itself of what it is that's happening inside of each of us in every passing moment, the extent to which you're able to detect that or not is the extent to which there is still work to be done. And in the absence of knowing, really knowing or having an opposing narrative, feel like it's overbearing your sense of knowingness we apply a tactic of faith, trust and hope, but they're not anything to build a house on. But they're not anything to build a house on. You know, I trust is saying I don't really know, but I'm going to do it anyway. Ah, it's terrifying, it's no way to live. But we take steps in trust to build the momentum of discovering.

Speaker 1: 9:29

Oh okay, there are some people that get stuck in trust, in hope and faith. They're not paying attention to what the universe is revealing. They do research, over and over again, the same research and apply the same protocols, which is disbelief that the universe even knows I exist. Let's see, it's a preposterous notion to consider that God doesn't know who we are or what we are intimately because there's no separation between us and that For God to be God, god is all-knowing, all places, all time, all things, for eternity. We exist within that. So therefore we are in the consciousness of the divine.

Speaker 1: 10:34

It's only our human indoctrination into insignificance, unworthiness and smallness that we find it difficult to take the leap in our nervous system to allow ourselves to fully be in the experience of being divine. For most people, there's a great deal of pain moving in that direction, because there's so much that's happened to us in our life or lifetimes that has told us the opposite of this truth, that you are in fact worthless, you're an object to be used to create greater advantage for my own hedonistic pursuits of self-gratification self-gratification and to some extent we've all been exposed to this and that creates trauma in the nervous system, and that trauma interferes with our capacity to detect the subtlety of the divine. And so the work is, the call to action is to resolve that, to confront whatever it is that is inhibiting you accepting your divine nature. That means sitting in the propaganda of ignorance that's been imposed upon you by ignorant states of consciousness.

Speaker 2: 12:05

So, if I'm understanding, like, if, like, doors are opening and closing for us in life, it's less about trust, but just like receptivity to okay this is closed and that's okay, I'm going this way, like you're just, there's no resistance. That's what we're moving towards, correct?

Speaker 1: 12:25

Okay, and initially you may. You know if you, if you, don't have a sense of that, at some point, when we are vigilant in, in seeking to detect the continuum of intelligence playing out in this moment, when we get into the habit of that, eventually that awareness becomes stable and we no longer find ourselves doubting or questioning what's taking place. Furthermore, we notice that any rigid attachment to any kind of outcome, sort of is naturally not there. We find ourselves recovering very quickly from an unmet expectation. We even bypass the whole disappointment experience. We're just like, oh, that didn't happen, okay, what next? Where are we going? There's curiosity there that dominates the experience.

Speaker 1: 13:19

Openness, because we've weaned ourself off needing to validate ourself and our existence, to qualify our existence by temporal, relative, circumstantial comings and goings, certain events, certain interactions, certain bad thoughts. Exactly, they're all traps, yep, yep, they're traps, exactly. And at some point we become very artful in being able to let go and direct our attention appropriately to what next, where? Oh, it's here, and we feel it abstractly. Here it's a much deeper, quieter, knowingness, experience that's out of the realm of fear and anxiety and the need to control, strategize, to execute outcomes, to continue validating like addicts. Give me the validation I need the validation. I need the validation and, in the same way that a junkie loses their last hit down the drain because it fell out of their pocket, when an unmet expectation occurs, that is going to validate us. We can carry on like junkies. We have junkie tantrums.

Speaker 2: 14:59

Looking for the next hit.

Speaker 1: 15:00

Looking for the next hit. Yeah, and we need to be gentle with ourselves in our observation of all of this, because we can observe it and see the futility of it and still find ourselves doing it, because it's deeply ingrained, it's so thick in the culture that we grow up in, it's like the air we breathe, it's just there. You know the need for external validation and the pursuit for it is in almost every social dynamic, in every culture. It's structured itself. We celebrate it, we celebrate it. And so to extricate yourself without damaging either your own nervous system or somebody else's because when we tap out of that paradigm, we highlight the futility of it Our very presence can really disturb and upset people because, indirectly, you're pointing out what they intuitively know but can't break away from it themselves, and so it's a tricky business. The whole thing of waking up is a tricky business. It's certainly a hard thing to sell on a pamphlet, right? And yet, when we are awake, this knowledge is extraordinary, the awareness of it is extraordinary.